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Christmas

Dear all,


I know some of you do not celebrate Christmas at all, because of its connections with a pagan festival.


I hope you agree, however, that is good to focus our minds on different things during the year and it must be a good thing to set aside some time to meditate on and celebrate the birth of Jesus and the incredible prophecies it fulfilled.


Unfortunately, none of our carols to my knowledge were written by universalists. To put this right, I'm sharing some pieces I wrote when I was 19 when I was trying to set up a local church in Wallasey. I hope you like them.


May God be with you,


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The Evangelical Universalist by G. MacDonald

The Author

Gregory McDonald is the pen name of Robin Parry, which he used due concerns at the time about the book’s potential effect on his employment and his reputation in orthodox circles.

 

Chapter Summary  

The first chapter looks at the problems of an eternal hell, including its injustice and how the saved could be happy if this happened. This is followed by some detailed analysis of the philosophical issues around freewill.

 

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Book Reviewers Needed

There are a lot of books on the 'further reading' tab that most of us probably won't get around to reading any time soon. I expect there are a lot of good points in these books and perhaps some arguments we may have overlooked. So I wondered if each one of us might commit to reading just one of these books and then feedback to others via this discussion page.


I you're happy to do this, please just tell me in advance which book you'd like to study to avoid any duplication. Then, when you've read it, please provide a short summary book review, including the salient points and any thoughts of your own you might like to share.


You can choose any book in the list, providing, of course, you are not the author! Please also remember to let me have full details of any other good books on…


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rjwagener
rjwagener
6 days ago

Well, as I don't appear to have any takers at the moment, the next book I intend to review (unless someone else wants to) will be Jean Wyatt's thought provoking title, 'The Judge is the Savior'.

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Israel and Palestine!

As you may know I set out on a pilgrimage and found myself in the middle of one of the most complex and tense political situations of our day. I have been regularly moving between Israeli and Palestinian territories and wondering if there is a biblical position we should have on the matter. For now I am trying my best to help the most disadvantaged on both sides.

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rjwagener
rjwagener
26 вер.

Palestine was previously owned by the Philistines, from where the word ‘Palestine’ comes. God did not promise the land of the Philistines to Abram’s descendants  (Genesis 15:18-20), however, and both Abraham and Isaac had cordial arrangements with the King of the Philistines (Genesis 20 and 26).


During the Exodus, God steered His people away from Philistia (Exodus 23:17), but Numbers 34:1-12 and Joshua 15:1-47 tell us that their land was eventually allotted by God to the Israelites. However, this agreement was rescinded before long, because the chosen people did not keep God’s commandments (Judges 2:20 - 3:4). As a result, Gaza was only overcome for a brief period during the reign of Hezekiah (2 Kings 18:8).


When the Babylonians and Greeks came to power, the Philistines suffered defeats and destructions along with Israel (Zephaniah 2:4 and Zechariah 9:5,6), but these passages do not say the defeats would last for ever or that their land would belong to Israel. Following the Babylonian exile, for example, we know that God refreshed His settlement plan for the Israelites (Ezekiel 47:13-20), but we also know that there were resettlements of Philistia during this Persian period.


The key questions for today are whether the allotment of land in the Ezekiel passage was (a) unconditional and/or (b) applies for all time.  There is nothing in the passage that says that either of these things is true.

 

It is clear from passages such as Judges 2:20 - 3:4 that God’s gift of the territories in what became the Promised Land was not unconditional, so it is hard to see how it could necessarily last for ever.


Some may argue that Genesis 17:8-10 tells us the covenant gave Abraham and his descendants an ‘everlasting possession’ (verse 8). However, as universalists we know that this Hebrew word frequently does not mean literally ‘for ever’. Moreover, the covenant of circumcision is also said to be ‘everlasting’ (verse 13), but  circumcision no longer applies (Galatians 5:2).  Consequently, as 'there is now neither Jew nor Greek' in the eyes of God (Galatians 3:28), the covenant of land to the Jews must no longer apply either.


This should not be confused with God’s promise of salvation to the Jews. This was neither conditional nor temporary. As Paul explains, 'the gifts and call of God are irrevocable' (Romans 11:29). And, as all men will be saved, it follows that ‘all Israel will be saved’ as well (Romans 11:26).


When Jesus said that the tax collectors and prostitutes would enter the kingdom of heaven ‘before’ the chief priests and elders, He was clearly telling us that they would enter the kingdom of heaven eventually. It’s just that many of the first will be last and many of the last will be first (Matthew 19:30). Alleluia!     

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Economic system

Do you think God authorises the economic systems we see, some verses seem to suggest God intends for there to be a power disparity on earth, do you think he has a purpose for creating a distinction between rich and poor in society?

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rjwagener
rjwagener
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I believe God decrees that it should happen, but it’s clear from Jesus’s teaching that He takes no pleasure in social injustice.


The early Christians lived in a commune, sharing everything and giving according to their ability and taking according to their need.


It’s hard to see how that model could be imposed on everyone, but it is clearly much better than models that encourage self-seeking and reward greed.


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Miracles

Do people believe miracles continue today? If not, why not? (By ‘miracles’, I mean things that interfere with the laws of the physical universe).

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rjwagener
rjwagener
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Could you share a few and perhaps include some links?

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The return of the King.

I know a lot of Christians and Muslims for that matter speculate on the date, location and circumstances of Jesus return to earth. I was wondering if anyone has any further clarity on when, where and how we can actually expect this to happen. Are there any resources which compare all the hypothesis in light of present day evidence?

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rjwagener
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No-one knows the time, but the Father. We do know that all eyes will see Him and that He will stand on the latter day upon the earth. I don't think we should speculate about other things.

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Come Down

Kevin Prosch wrote this Prodigal Son ballad. I have always been so moved by the Psalm like poetry of the lyrics. Covering it was unexpectedly challenging, and a journey of sorts for me. The ending of the song is my addition adapted from Psalm 76.


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rjwagener
rjwagener
26 трав.

Do you want to share some of your other songs?

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Place for pilgrimage.

I find myself on what feels like a good old fashioned pilgrimage as I made my way from England to Jordan flightlessly over the past four months and was baptised in the River Jordan. Now I seek to cross into Israel, I am staying on a farm in Jordan where I can see Jericho and the lights of Jerusalem and excited to go to the place I had always been reading about. But is this fascination healthy? Some people have criticised my interest in going back to these old earthly sites when they suggest I should be fixated on the new way things are done in the spirit. But I was wondering what your thoughts are, is there still significance in the geographical holy land, Jerusalem and following in the footsteps of Jesus Christ while on earth?


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brittysuz
26 трав.

I personally think it is really cool that you are taking this personal pilgrimage. I personally would not be surprised if it was your Creator who put the thought in your mind in the first place. Be safe!

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