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Free Will

This issue has been raised by all of the authors we've reviewed to date as a major potential stumbling block to universalism, the argument being that there is no guarantee people will choose to be saved or perhaps remain so. Here are some thoughts on this issue.


Traditional View

‘Free will’ is defined by the dictionary as ‘the power of acting without the constraint of necessity or fate’. ‘Fate’ is defined as, ‘the development of events outside a person’s control, regarded as predetermined by a supernatural power’.


The traditional view is that, as God is entirely without sin, He cannot be the cause of sin. As a result, it is impossible for there to be any cause-and-effect relationship between God and mankind’s sins. Although God created us and could foresee how we were going to misuse our free wills, He did not, and never has, caused us to sin: we…


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Are the Scriptures the Word of God?

One issue that has emerged from book reviews to date is that quite a few universalists do not appear to believe that the scriptures are the word of God. There are some who believe that parts of the Bible are from God, but who conclude it is impossible to determine which have a divine origin and which do not. There are others who argue that as all biblical teaching came through fallible men, none of it can be inerrant. Finally, there are probably others who believe that the scriptures may have been originally divine and inerrant, but who think that these texts have been irretrievably lost to the mists of time.  


There appear to be two main reasons for these conclusions. The first are the contradictions they allege are contained in the Bible. These may take the form of internal inconsistencies, but might also include statements that are contradicted by…


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rjwagener
rjwagener
Mar 27

One example that is offered as a clear contradiction is given as follows.  


…did Jesus say, ‘those who are not with me are against me’ or ‘those who are not against me are for me’? Either one of the evangelists is in error or Jesus said both and so contradicted himself’. (Hell to Pay, page 339).    

 

The facts are that Jesus said, ‘those who are not with me are against me’ in Matthew 12:30 and Luke 11:23. He said this in response to challenges from the pharisees that He cast out demons by the power of Beelzebub. Jesus replied that a kingdom that is divided cannot stand. He then added the above words, which are identical in Matthew and Luke. Jesus was making the point here that, in relation to Him, there is no divided house or half-way house. People are in either one of two mutually exclusive houses: (A) with Him or (B) against Him.

 

Jesus did not quite say, ‘those who are not against me, are for me?’  What He actually said in Mark 9:40 was, ‘who is not against us, is for us’., and in Luke 9:50 He said, ‘he is not against you, is for you’.  In the first version Jesus used the word, ‘us’ and in the second He used the pronoun, ‘you’. However, this is not a contradiction. Jesus may have simply reinforced this message by repeating the point, something He often did, in this case to make it clear to the disciples that this principle applied as much to them as group as it did to Him personally.  

 

In this second passage, Jesus spoke these words to His disciples in relation to a man who was casting out demons in Jesus’s name, but who decided not to join the disciples at that time. Making the point He made to the pharisees in Matthew 12:30 and Luke 11:23, Jesus said that there were only two camps: (A) with Him or (B) against Him. There was no mixing of this position, no divided houses and nothing outside of (A) and (B).

 

Even if Jesus had said exactly what was quoted above, therefore, no contradiction would arise. If there are only two groups (A) and (B), saying that you are not in (B) must mean you are in (A) and vice versa. Far from being a contradiction, this is actually a logical necessity.  

 

      

 

 

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Hell to Pay? The Blasphemous Absurdity of Damnationism

Author

David Favager is a very learned author, with a BA in History, a PhD in Education, a Licence in Theology and a MA and ThD in Biblical Archaeology.  David was a school teacher for over 28 years, but now works as an educational travel manager. He is also a member of the Anglican community on Wirral.     

 

Content

The book is structured around four pillars that support the case for universalism: scripture, morality, atonement and theodicy. These chapters are preceded by a lengthy introduction, which outlines the ground to be covered, together with some preliminary conclusions.  As well as the further sections outlined below, there is also a useful glossary and a bibliography that includes hyperlinks.

 

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Thank you for your generous comments and for offering one of the few serious critical reviews of my book I have read. I agree that a 'low' view of Scripture is problematic for my case but I would argue that a 'high' view (inerrancy, infallibility) is even more problematic for those who seek to advocate it because of the reasons I outline - notably the contradictions and apparent errors. I agree also that the lack of a clear position on atonement is also a major weakness - and I personally find it a serious obstacle to traditional faith. Inequality in suffering is indeed a real question but it is not something damnationism has any answer to. With regard to the free will of God - I would say He is free to act according to His nature and that nature would not be compatible with Him being evil - but free will is a topic that has defeated far better thinkers than me!!

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The Judge is the Savior  

Author

Despite the American spellings used throughout the book, Jean Wyatt is in fact a British author and a long-standing member of the Anglican community. She practised as a doctor in Africa and Asia for many years, before becoming a GP in Liverpool. Since retiring, she has been an active lay member and reader for the last 25 years.   

 

Content

The book considers the various issues raised by universalism, with each chapter leading with different sections of Lord’s Prayer. There are lots of interesting extra-biblical quotations in the book, although it is worth noting that C.S. Lewis was a firm believer in everlasting punishment.      

 


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Christmas

Dear all,


I know some of you do not celebrate Christmas at all, because of its connections with a pagan festival.


I hope you agree, however, that it is good to focus our minds on different things during the year and it must be a good thing to set aside some time to meditate on and celebrate the birth of Jesus and the incredible prophecies it fulfilled.


Unfortunately, none of our carols to my knowledge were written by universalists. To put this right, I'm sharing some pieces I wrote when I was 19 when I was trying to set up a local church in Wallasey. I hope you like them.


May God be with you,


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Jean Wyatt
Jean Wyatt
Nov 12, 2025

Well done Robert. Keep writing!

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The Evangelical Universalist by G. MacDonald

The Author

Gregory McDonald is the pen name of Robin Parry, which he used due concerns at the time about the book’s potential effect on his employment and his reputation in orthodox circles.

 

Chapter Summary  

The first chapter looks at the problems of an eternal hell, including its injustice and how the saved could be happy if this happened. This is followed by some detailed analysis of the philosophical issues around freewill.

 

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Jean Wyatt
Jean Wyatt
Nov 12, 2025

It is a persuasive book that takes scripture seriously


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Book Reviewers Needed

There are a lot of books on the 'further reading' tab that most of us probably won't get around to reading any time soon. I expect there are a lot of good points in these books and perhaps some arguments we may have overlooked. So I wondered if each one of us might commit to reading just one of these books and then feedback to others via this discussion page.


I you're happy to do this, please just tell me in advance which book you'd like to study to avoid any duplication. Then, when you've read it, please provide a short summary book review, including the salient points and any thoughts of your own you might like to share.


You can choose any book in the list, providing, of course, you are not the author! Please also remember to let me have full details of any other good books on…


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rjwagener
rjwagener
Nov 28, 2025

I still don't have any takers, unfortunately. However, as I've already read it, at some stage before Christmas I'll try to let you have my thoughts on David Favager's wonderfully titled book, 'Hell to Pay: The Blasphemous Absurdity of Damnationism'.

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Israel and Palestine!

As you may know I set out on a pilgrimage and found myself in the middle of one of the most complex and tense political situations of our day. I have been regularly moving between Israeli and Palestinian territories and wondering if there is a biblical position we should have on the matter. For now I am trying my best to help the most disadvantaged on both sides.

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rjwagener
rjwagener
Sep 26, 2025

Palestine was previously owned by the Philistines, from where the word ‘Palestine’ comes. God did not promise the land of the Philistines to Abram’s descendants  (Genesis 15:18-20), however, and both Abraham and Isaac had cordial arrangements with the King of the Philistines (Genesis 20 and 26).


During the Exodus, God steered His people away from Philistia (Exodus 23:17), but Numbers 34:1-12 and Joshua 15:1-47 tell us that their land was eventually allotted by God to the Israelites. However, this agreement was rescinded before long, because the chosen people did not keep God’s commandments (Judges 2:20 - 3:4). As a result, Gaza was only overcome for a brief period during the reign of Hezekiah (2 Kings 18:8).


When the Babylonians and Greeks came to power, the Philistines suffered defeats and destructions along with Israel (Zephaniah 2:4 and Zechariah 9:5,6), but these passages do not say the defeats would last for ever or that their land would belong to Israel. Following the Babylonian exile, for example, we know that God refreshed His settlement plan for the Israelites (Ezekiel 47:13-20), but we also know that there were resettlements of Philistia during this Persian period.


The key questions for today are whether the allotment of land in the Ezekiel passage was (a) unconditional and/or (b) applies for all time.  There is nothing in the passage that says that either of these things is true.

 

It is clear from passages such as Judges 2:20 - 3:4 that God’s gift of the territories in what became the Promised Land was not unconditional, so it is hard to see how it could necessarily last for ever.


Some may argue that Genesis 17:8-10 tells us the covenant gave Abraham and his descendants an ‘everlasting possession’ (verse 8). However, as universalists we know that this Hebrew word frequently does not mean literally ‘for ever’. Moreover, the covenant of circumcision is also said to be ‘everlasting’ (verse 13), but  circumcision no longer applies (Galatians 5:2).  Consequently, as 'there is now neither Jew nor Greek' in the eyes of God (Galatians 3:28), the covenant of land to the Jews must no longer apply either.


This should not be confused with God’s promise of salvation to the Jews. This was neither conditional nor temporary. As Paul explains, 'the gifts and call of God are irrevocable' (Romans 11:29). And, as all men will be saved, it follows that ‘all Israel will be saved’ as well (Romans 11:26).


When Jesus said that the tax collectors and prostitutes would enter the kingdom of heaven ‘before’ the chief priests and elders, He was clearly telling us that they would enter the kingdom of heaven eventually. It’s just that many of the first will be last and many of the last will be first (Matthew 19:30). Alleluia!     

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Economic system

Do you think God authorises the economic systems we see, some verses seem to suggest God intends for there to be a power disparity on earth, do you think he has a purpose for creating a distinction between rich and poor in society?

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rjwagener
rjwagener
Jun 22, 2025

I believe God decrees that it should happen, but it’s clear from Jesus’s teaching that He takes no pleasure in social injustice.


The early Christians lived in a commune, sharing everything and giving according to their ability and taking according to their need.


It’s hard to see how that model could be imposed on everyone, but it is clearly much better than models that encourage self-seeking and reward greed.


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